00:00:01: Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.

00:00:03: My oh my Do we have a show for you today?

00:00:07: My name is Frank Forster And our guest on tonight's program Is Mr Malcolm Duck.

00:00:13: Malcolm was born in November of in nineteen sixty.

00:00:17: He was an officer In the Royal Marines for eleven years Commanding commanding men in The Falklands Conflict and in Northern Ireland.

00:00:26: Then he became A restauranteur in nineteen ninety one if I'm correct when he opened Dux at Le Marché Noir in Edinburgh.

00:00:36: He added the hat of Hotelier, in two thousand four... ...when you purchased Kilspindi House and Abel Ladi.

00:00:45: Abel Lady?

00:00:46: Abel lady!

00:00:47: Oh I'm sorry!

00:00:48: The sexuality on my village is absolutely hilarious because it's Abel-lady but a number people that make into a laddie Scottish boy.

00:01:00: It's very modern with this modern era of sexual designation.

00:01:07: I'm sure Aberlady or Ladi is happy to be... I

00:01:10: apologize, I apologize for the Aberladee and all the Abaladians!

00:01:15: There must be a word from people who live there.

00:01:17: we'll get that later.

00:01:19: And you turned Kilspindi House into world famous ducks inn.

00:01:24: Since two thousand nineteen, you are also the director of Scotland where golf began.

00:01:31: The Director Of The Fourteen Fifty Seven Society will talk about that and since twenty-twenty one You Are The Chairman Of The Gillon Area Community Council.

00:01:41: Malcolm it is as much an honor As It Is A Privilege And A Pleasure To Welcome You to Radio Golf Show.

00:01:48: How Are You Sir?

00:01:51: slightly overwhelmed by that welcome, for a duck the son of Donald.

00:01:59: I didn't realize...I don't know about it but yeah i'm delighted to come on the podcast and be able talk about golf generally or scotland and golf with my passions in that kind of thing is just ...i've spent many hours in the bar doing it and um It's just a great subject in a great part of world being And your pronunciation spot-on, immaculate.

00:02:22: That makes up for the abaletti!

00:02:27: I must tell you a story very quickly about it because i'm dyslexic and we had to write... We wrote the menus in French and this came back another day.

00:02:51: Umus is cabin boy.

00:02:55: Kai are testicles, Kui and Kai.

00:03:00: So this guy was just dissolved in laughter.

00:03:03: so you have any idea what we've written?

00:03:05: Testicle stuff with Cabin Boy.

00:03:07: It's a very new into the restaurant scene as a wrong-woring coming in.

00:03:12: how to get it wrong.

00:03:13: one easy lesson

00:03:15: This way its gonna go.

00:03:17: but I gotta tell ya We haven't had this much excitement prior to a show since Langer or Crenshaw, recently Rupert Sheldrake who was on.

00:03:26: And I'm especially grateful for you for rescheduling on such short notice after i got clubbed by that coronavirus at the end of last month.

00:03:35: so thankyouforthat.

00:03:39: In August this year Malcolm You posted a video online in which Abba lady it is time for Malcolm and Fiona to duck out.

00:03:57: How much do you miss the charisma?

00:03:59: And the Significance in the vitality, and the extraordinary character of The place you when your Your wife took care or four nearly two decades.

00:04:09: how Much Do You Miss the Duxie?

00:04:13: It's a bit early to say to be honest Frank but its weird.

00:04:16: that's all I can save and i remember my in-laws retiring and how retirement happens.

00:04:23: And I think through my Falklands and Rormwood experience, I've learned to separate myself into two people.

00:04:31: there's the cerebral.

00:04:32: that kind of brain person understands a logic... ...and is the emotional person.

00:04:38: So serrably it was right thing at time with the right offer.

00:04:42: hope i'd made this same decision at forty or not and emotionally There were so much going on.

00:04:47: It just happened And now we're not doing it.

00:04:51: Now, you know... It's very strange, Fiona and I are living with Ken McKinnon in Edinburgh Professor of Mass.

00:04:59: He is the godfather to our two children and his wife sadly passed last year.

00:05:04: So its nice being here with him on anniversary But also from husband & wife going full-on To breaks on.

00:05:12: Very good to have an intermediary To negotiate.

00:05:18: It's very, very strange.

00:05:19: And actually on mental health and all the rest of it in a last week I've found that bit tough.

00:05:25: we went down.

00:05:26: one of my Roman sergeants had died so he went to his funeral by The Wash.

00:05:31: We stopped off just outside York at the Langtree Inn.

00:05:34: If you get the chance go to the LangTree Inn run by Rob Mitchell & His Wife Goh One Of The Best Chefs In The UK.

00:05:40: He Used To Work For Me Actually Going There On The Other Side Of The Table Seeing Someone brought and nurtured, you know we were so keen to see us there.

00:05:51: It was just fantastic!

00:05:52: And it kind of makes me want to go back in again for that buzz.

00:05:55: how can you help with that wine matching or pairing?

00:05:59: So I mean for us it was very special from me especially.

00:06:03: Fiona kind of enjoyed but she did a lot the books whether i PTSD from services...whether it's dyslexic or lamb dyslexics..whether all those other things on the side keep moving busy.

00:06:18: and we had a two week holiday, first two-week holiday for twenty three years.

00:06:24: And people said, right that must have been terrible!

00:06:26: I said no it wasn't terrible but i did a twenty three year holiday.

00:06:29: you know absolutely.

00:06:31: i not fully loved what i did.

00:06:33: um financially sometimes it was to say challenging mm-hmm.

00:06:39: for me the challenges.

00:06:40: can you jump over the table?

00:06:42: A problem is the tables freaking broken.

00:06:48: So it wasn't, I just absolutely loved that.

00:06:52: And people talk about stress.

00:06:56: how do you handle the stress?

00:06:58: Someone with a very good analogy both can't fire if it's not stressed needs to be stressed to fire but If he leave it stressed all of time then It becomes inefficient.

00:07:07: and hospitality is hard work great fun hard working great fund Can go together.

00:07:13: well But I lay on hill in The Falklands Thought I wasn't coming out and decided in my future life Rugby, golf whiskey food cigars.

00:07:23: We've very much part of it And that's what i've lived for the last eighteen nineteen twenty years.

00:07:28: I'm getting into golf course your way no phones You know even a golf course on a built-up suburb or the nastiest place in the world still green Mm-hmm.

00:07:38: It's still got rough but still go different graduations and textures.

00:07:43: you're still with golfers ninety-nine percent of whom are wonderful people and think the way you do.

00:07:50: So it's been very special, I'm not missing yet

00:07:54: but

00:07:55: i think its going to be interesting next year.

00:07:57: But im still involved with lots other things that we've built And maybe instead having to haul an old building a lot of stuff along.

00:08:06: thats hard.

00:08:07: The staff were a joy because they're team

00:08:10: building.

00:08:11: We couldn't take any further.

00:08:12: I don't know what's going to be called when they reopen it, but that there have taken the walls out.

00:08:20: massive, massive refurb.

00:08:21: They're doing which is what The Old Lady needed.

00:08:24: so I take in where we got and now somebody else has a new mum.

00:08:30: If i may ask What brought about this sale?

00:08:32: And what brought about the suddenness of it?

00:08:35: because we're making plans to come back in the future and those people that hadn't been there had heard of it, they were certainly on their bucket list.

00:08:46: Well I mean... The answer is pretty simple as somebody came along with a very good offer.

00:08:53: so it was a very decent offer also.... And I don't think this is cerebral me-emotional me ...I didn't think.

00:09:00: like I said earlier.. I hope i would have made the same decision if I was forty because you should make decisions for right reasons.

00:09:08: But I've also just turned sixty three.

00:09:10: Right?

00:09:10: So

00:09:11: in some period of time, I would have had to effect a change.

00:09:14: what it was thinking about doing is maybe and I had a couple of conversations about raising some money and buying through for more on selling my place into a group being the kind of face off that and taking it forward.

00:09:28: but also you know what's coming down the line in Scotland and hospitality.

00:09:36: we have a government in Scotland run by, I would say part of the Scottish National Party because they're like most parties now fractured hangover from Nicola Sturgeon and who i just think was awful.

00:09:49: So tight and controlling.

00:09:51: but for instance an UK Government has given hospitality seventy five percent rates relief.

00:09:57: that's not being passed on in Scotland.

00:10:00: so There are now new laws on tips.

00:10:07: where you start should always get the tips, but used to be able to kind of use to be a lot more in cash.

00:10:13: So if they didn't come into that house can see where it went with.

00:10:19: Didn't come let's say so he did.

00:10:20: this is disappeared.

00:10:22: That was fine.

00:10:23: But no With credit cards and all the rest of it.

00:10:26: You know people I believe do not have cash.

00:10:28: leave tip?

00:10:35: food prices are going up and out across the world, not just in the UK.

00:10:38: Right?

00:10:39: And then we paying... In the

00:10:41: U.K.,

00:10:41: We're paying twenty percent sales tax VAT which most of yours is ten.

00:10:47: That's a significant difference when you looking at pricing and how things work.

00:10:52: that's partly why Why in the

00:10:55: u.k.?

00:10:56: Hotel prices are significantly higher um..and thats sadly going to get worse.

00:11:01: because be good for hotels if everyone comes to stay, but that's going more international than domestic because they're also bringing in a lot of policies to do with what we call short-term lets.

00:11:14: You go to Elie at Great Tiny of Elie where there are great little golf course.

00:11:18: it is almost dead during the winter time as it has low holiday homes.

00:11:21: so people aren't enough staying here and keeping everything else open.

00:11:25: People looking for steps to bring legislation into regulate them.

00:11:32: instead you could get a short-term let, that's all being challenged.

00:11:38: So the next three or four years are going to be very shifting landscape.

00:11:44: so opportunity came.

00:11:47: there we go and we made a decision... We didn't make a noise about it but I'm not going away!

00:11:55: And then i still am very keen to stay involved with golf help with gulf trips talk to folk.

00:12:04: Guys want to come and play there.

00:12:05: Come and play with me, I mean you like to play with them.

00:12:08: they're whereas before I couldn't And now i can.

00:12:11: So um Every cloud is a silver lining.

00:12:14: in every silver lighting as a cloud But I tend to look at the silver linings rather than the clouds.

00:12:19: That's that?

00:12:20: That's a good strategy.

00:12:22: Now Um I'd like to maybe Maybe When I was thinking about what to talk to you, but and then there's so many things.

00:12:31: But um i find it fascinating to ask the The children's questions.

00:12:38: You know why is the grass green?

00:12:39: Why does the moon have phases?

00:12:41: Why is this guy blue?

00:12:43: Um the very fundamental uh questions.

00:12:46: And of course the game of golf also has a very fundamental question.

00:12:51: maybe we can start with one of those.

00:12:54: Why is the Game Of Golf So Fascinating?

00:12:57: and generally or to me Generally,

00:13:00: let's talk generally.

00:13:03: That's very interesting quite I think because you know the frustration is most other baton ball sports.

00:13:08: You're hitting a moving ball Mm-hmm and for some reason it's almost easier to hit when it's moving.

00:13:14: So you go this stationary ball?

00:13:17: And how they held your hit it.

00:13:19: um i mean The black knight.

00:13:21: Um was his name.

00:13:22: south african um

00:13:24: player player

00:13:25: he said to try to hit the ball in straight lines almost impossible.

00:13:30: Gary Nichol is coach at Archerfield.

00:13:32: You know, Gary's coached right a couple players and all the rest in each other will concentrate on our backswing.

00:13:39: he says you don't hit them along way back hitting away forward.

00:13:43: so it's...you've got to master that The hitting of this shot.

00:13:50: but you also have to master the plotting around.

00:13:56: And if you listen to Tiger I remember Tiger said something about Some guys may hit shots better than me, but they'll never pull up the way around better.

00:14:04: So I might not be putting my best and whatever... But I know mentally that I can work out how to get from A to B. The pro golfer is always looking for a miss!

00:14:14: I was very lucky with Mark Carnaval who was taken round by Tom Watson And the first time Mark had played in Scotland.

00:14:23: then Tom was explaining Link's golf.

00:14:27: You know, most of the trouble on links golf course bunkers at their front not at the back hit long and you Know it's two towards the flag and to get up-and-down.

00:14:38: So take the trouble out.

00:14:40: so if your.

00:14:42: So there are so many different nuances that come with which?

00:14:45: Which top lady pro in this stage?

00:14:47: she was troubled struggling or they're Three would we've got a lesson from one of the top guys?

00:14:53: He said right well first will do a playing less than they gotten the tea.

00:14:57: she drove off and then he took her three with a flung it behind her, said we're not taking that.

00:15:01: That's your first

00:15:02: lesson.".

00:15:06: And said he going for it?

00:15:07: She laid up and chipped and birdied every part.

00:15:10: five.

00:15:13: I think there are just so many nuances to golf.

00:15:16: um...and again i from me my background in the services and so on and again busy hospitality when I ran The Edinburgh Restaurant now used to referee rugby at a reasonable level got me out in the afternoon running, moving around and refereeing.

00:15:29: You cannot think of anything else other than a game.

00:15:32: if your mind shifts you've lost

00:15:34: it.".

00:15:34: And they're saying with golf how do Roger Davis said?

00:15:38: The great thing about golf is that you have to concentrate for eight seconds and completely forget about it for the rest of time between shots.

00:15:46: How did these guys do on five-hour round under all that pressure?

00:15:50: So I think it's about the most fascinating game there is.

00:15:54: All different shapes and sizes can do that, look at John Daly.

00:15:58: you know his lifestyle managed to do it.

00:16:00: then you get a Rory.

00:16:02: what a fit young guy he is.

00:16:06: so It's The Game That Really Makes More Demands Than Any Other Game the way i understand What You're Saying?

00:16:19: coming down that stretch, if you're in a winning position do you feel pressure?

00:16:24: What's the difference?

00:16:25: why'd you feel that pressure rather than hitting.

00:16:27: The first drive or the first approach shot of the first pop.

00:16:30: Why is there less pressure on the first dry?

00:16:32: because I can make it back again right now and all these pressures are self-imposed as little thing between your ears That gets in your way And or helps.

00:16:44: And again, Gary Nichol a lot the guys now have got mental coaches or psychiatrists are trying to get in their zone.

00:16:53: Rather than two nines trying make it do you split into three?

00:16:57: Yeah and I think i play off six-and-a-half six point something...I enjoy playing with sixteen seven eighteen handicappers because to an extent You can help them!

00:17:12: But he's an indy, eighteen handicapper.

00:17:14: and the par four in the first by the third I'll say it's a par five.

00:17:19: I said what part is this?

00:17:21: So five didn't know.

00:17:22: if you had to six What do you mean?

00:17:25: well You've got a shot so why are you hitting your driver gonna bring all that trouble here?

00:17:30: hit me seven on one.

00:17:32: You get you seven on your seven on yourself when you're getting green and you gotta park knowing about a party.

00:17:37: go birdie feels better And then you're just being mentally beginning to manage the game.

00:17:48: Again, coming back with Fiona and I was going through this...I can't remember all of the core values but one thing that stands for me is cheerfulness and adversity.

00:18:00: so it comes back when you enjoy stress or not.

00:18:04: Cheerfulness and enjoying that pressure relishing Not the guys don't do it if you can.

00:18:12: I mean, there are numbers of people who've played sport and they're shaking before they have to do this thing that they know how to do really easily.

00:18:19: but that's what gives them a drive and gets from their focus.

00:18:23: Golf is also the only game where we all walk in play with the greats who have played.

00:18:28: You could walk on the same green as St Andrews or over the Swelcomberna And even for Nicholas, I was there and Watson went across it.

00:18:39: Sadly in the middle of night when Big Ease Eve they were going to try pull him off because he's dark on the next morning, Big Eases Eve Ernie said no this man is finishing his round.

00:18:50: you know bringing them out in the morning!

00:18:52: We'd all gone away came back... There still a big crowd just about dark coming in.

00:18:59: so i think all these things conspire to make it a great game.

00:19:02: I think we need to keep the traditions and you know, do we have hoodies?

00:19:06: And all that rest.

00:19:07: because if you take something away makes sure use something of value with which replace it.

00:19:13: so don't takeaway.

00:19:15: If You Take Away, you Know Orms Address and etiquette so then Then you'll chip away at The Honesty.

00:19:22: Golf is mostly such an honest game.

00:19:26: people will call fouls on themselves.

00:19:30: Really, you're not going to be in play with many good people at decent golf courses because that's golf.

00:19:38: Well and some sports get celebrated for faking fouls which is totally the opposite.

00:19:44: Well rugby is only a football.

00:19:46: they do but Rugby Union can have funny sport.

00:19:50: we do.

00:19:51: I mean it absolutely cheating is lauded You know?

00:19:57: Can't get into football falling over when they practice falling.

00:20:02: In the old days in rugby, you know two lines of guys and a ball thrown into middle.

00:20:08: they could be as close together as he wanted but that guy is trying to jump when he can't because his numbers got his hand on his pocket or the guy's getting taken out off-the-ball.

00:20:22: It's not cheating, it is you against the opposition.

00:20:26: And I think what also fascinates me all of us no matter at which level we play in We've been in a position where after fourteen-fifteen holds were on our way to best round ever and then by time that we walk off the eighteenth green we are ready throw clubs away.

00:20:46: You can be so good or bad for two different days.

00:20:52: What would be some of your favorite golf memories personally?

00:20:57: Whether it's playing or watching, reading...

00:21:01: That is really interesting.

00:21:02: I am not a great reader because every time i look up my father and say that he has great C-reading which made me put him back down again because I'm an obstinate duck.

00:21:15: There are so many different people playing with.

00:21:18: Walking around with Tom Watson obviously for eighteen holes the mark was was pretty special.

00:21:25: Roger Davis took me down to Turnberry, the seniors and he said keep quiet stay close until I kept quite stayed close ended up in the range then worked out.

00:21:37: it's coach Watson beside him Nicholas beside him Gary player very funny someone say did take a picture.

00:21:46: thankfully no need of picture.

00:21:49: that just great memory.

00:21:51: But that's

00:21:51: a kind of celeb bit, but you know playing golf I just now and again it's the memory you'll get back or not get back as you just hit that great shot And It Just Feels So Good Especially with Hickory's because i've got into hickory golf more recently Not an expert by any means.

00:22:12: One Of The Funnier Ones was I mean, with Gough.

00:22:16: also Renaissance golf clubs got me really up there because you know Jerry Savati and the team came within four weeks of me starting the Ducks.

00:22:23: So we started at same times.

00:22:25: We were HQ was Jerry Tom Doak Don Platschek And all these guys staying with us.

00:22:31: so i've gotten to them then really well in seeing that course evolve Has been fantastic.

00:22:37: The first Scottish opens for Scottish women's open There.

00:22:40: it was fantastic.

00:22:43: The seniors open was at Archiefield, I think.

00:22:47: And we had a member pro which I won with Roger Davis.

00:22:54: and you get kind of flights in the... We were playing against two other guys on an outs-alternate shot for some.

00:23:02: so roger driven down the eighteenths he said to me and David Frost's caddy was pulling my trolley and the pin was back left about eighteenth green at Renee's, I don't know if you remember it from Scottish Open runs up with a mound of the back.

00:23:17: And he wanted me to hit him on the wall in left side of the green and thinking that i'm not going get home but surely wants be right to open it up.

00:23:26: so Ducky just hit your three would said can't hit that dodges all right gonna hit my rescue three?

00:23:30: And I creamed this thing!

00:23:33: It was walking along.

00:23:34: as they said to Frostage Caddy why the hell did he want?

00:23:37: He said, he expected you to slice it on depression.

00:23:41: You just exceeded his expectation for that.

00:23:45: those kind of moments before we go off the kind of work for you.

00:23:48: but don't I mean which.

00:23:50: are they game?

00:23:51: Yeah Which other game?

00:23:53: could you go and start a game And within the space of two holes time wise be ripping the Mickey out somebody else?

00:24:01: yeah never met.

00:24:02: Yep,

00:24:03: I don't.

00:24:03: there's another game where you were.

00:24:05: you could do that.

00:24:06: yep

00:24:07: Kill Spindy Golf Club, you know playing at Kill Spindi.

00:24:11: You look across the fife.

00:24:12: there are two hills which we call The Paps of Fife.

00:24:15: Pap is a Scottish word for abreast so maybe not say that nowadays but it's what they're called.

00:24:21: So That remind me of San Carlos water in the Falklands and when the RAF were in St Andrews you had to play just buzzing down.

00:24:31: not so great memories, but also you're now in a safe calm space and beautiful place with friends.

00:24:37: So I teared the back of my eye thinking about it... I remember trying to make a six foot putt kind of what your saying?

00:24:44: You are playing really well when coming on!

00:24:46: Look at this part.

00:24:47: that doesn't matter whether i get this.

00:24:50: It's just a beautiful day for people who have been playing well.

00:24:54: I'm lucky here being alive.

00:25:02: Great thing we've got.

00:25:03: every time you go out.

00:25:03: You'll get a memory as well.

00:25:05: We talk about it so much to our wives and yeah husbands when they come back.

00:25:10: Yeah, I read somewhere on one of maybe was on the on the ducks inside When were still there?

00:25:17: I mean it said that the ducks in was based on service excellence And making memories for customers.

00:25:22: I think that's absolutely

00:25:24: not

00:25:24: pretty much says at all and will talk about hospitality and things like this in a minute.

00:25:32: But maybe, um... A few words or thoughts about the evolution of the game?

00:25:38: Now we've got ball discussion going on again!

00:25:43: Maybe start with playing field because that's what is really to me an amazing part about Scotland And I played most of my golfing in East Lothian The golf course, can you teach an old dog leg new tricks?

00:26:02: That would be my question.

00:26:06: I think these golf courses... There was a plan very recently and they got Gilhans or someone in to look at Totally Region going on.

00:26:15: that's been put into back burner because And I didn't see the plan, so it may be being a bit harsh.

00:26:21: But why are you going to change your great things?

00:26:22: Been there forever into something that's new and modern?

00:26:26: but go back golf course of minute when we need to keep game-of-golf as again where the greats can play and everyone else can play.

00:26:37: That is were ball comes in.

00:26:39: Glad they're looking at bringing the ball back.

00:26:41: Again Roger Davis dodged.

00:26:44: He reckoned if he takes half the dimples off then if they want to hit it hard, They can because the dimples helps.

00:26:52: help correct that.

00:26:53: The flight I don't know much about this is so the boys.

00:26:58: now you can whack.

00:26:59: It's a good ball.

00:27:00: strikers aren't rewarded.

00:27:02: big hitters are awarded.

00:27:03: So but You take someone who played links golf.

00:27:08: when we go to the States or Parkland Golf That guy has got to learn new tricks Because he can't put from sixty yards off the green.

00:27:17: But I think, again watching Roger.

00:27:20: These older guys can hit shots that the young pros don't hit not saying they cant but have never been taught how to hit a three yard and one hundred fifty yards.

00:27:33: why would you?

00:27:35: And again what rogers discussed was who do watch Sevvy?

00:27:39: and Sevvy was huffing and puffing around there's double bank green and eventually said he pulled a three-hour night, hit it full tilt into the bank.

00:27:51: And it bounced up to, you know... Who else in the world would have thought of that golf shop?

00:28:01: You've got wind to deal with, dry ground on the summer, damper down in winter, rough in most links.

00:28:11: golf is pretty penal.

00:28:12: and you look at the slope ratings of a course.

00:28:15: now my understanding isn't.

00:28:17: Slope rating more comes from the states, water's ranked high whereas rough isn't.

00:28:20: while you try to find your ball on the rough near field

00:28:24: yeah absolutely in the lake.

00:28:26: actually I mean none of those great courses in Scotland have island greens or Lake on every hole.

00:28:33: are things like this these man-made problems let's call them that make the game more difficult for the average golfer?

00:28:42: Yeah, no.

00:28:43: I mean it's kind of what... Again you know The Evolution Of Golf is where did this start?

00:28:48: and an organized goal certainly started in Scotland And then its grown up from there as expanded and has evolved.

00:28:55: Now i think should continue to evolve.

00:28:57: Um..and I Think It Is now good That the Average Player Has Such Good Equipment.

00:29:03: Would Be Nice To See the guys playing with something different stuff.

00:29:07: I mean, watching girls golf is fantastic.

00:29:11: I agree.

00:29:13: I think boys and young girls are pretty.

00:29:15: it's just you know they're ball striking length to hit more similar to a guy.

00:29:20: their rhythm is fantastic.

00:29:22: You can see that without being ripping the ball two bits and being built like side of his shed could pick up, but so could the boys.

00:29:37: And it's nice to see girls golf coming through and Katrina Matthews in Scotland is just such an under some person Dottie Pepperett on extent that what Katrina has done in Scottish Golf nobody knows her.

00:29:53: But yeah It's not about length.

00:29:57: That's quite a love.

00:29:57: about Kill Spindy.

00:29:59: I've taken quite a few two pros down to play there.

00:30:02: You know, even I'm sixty-three and probably only need a driver in one hole.

00:30:11: And quite few people staying with us.

00:30:13: you know fathers & sons coming.

00:30:15: it's the father.

00:30:16: more chance of winning kills Spindy because we look at someone like the fifth.

00:30:19: The kids put through to backer degree on par four but its much harder shot than landing short and coming up.

00:30:29: so great match play cause it levels things out.

00:30:32: and you know the fourth that kills Spindy is one of my favorite holes in golf because it's right down the side of a sea with the green tucked into the corner so out of bounds on the right, an out-of-bounds knee down to the beach.

00:30:46: So if you've got decent drive then you don't hit the right shot coming in and it kicks forward quite... You really gotta think your way around it!

00:30:55: And it doesn't matter if you're Rory and you can hit at ninety hundred yards and see past the green.

00:31:02: That's not the whole.

00:31:03: Yeah, well I mean you think about places like Prestwake and Royal Trune and Turnberry in Northbury, Carnoustie Gillen, Royal Dornock...I mean just the names of those places.

00:31:14: roll off your tongue like liquid golf gold.

00:31:19: um i think the famous Henry Longhurst wrote about that rugged British game.

00:31:27: For you, is golf by the sea?

00:31:29: The real Gulf and everything else.

00:31:31: Is a man made substitute?

00:31:34: no because um No cause.

00:31:38: we were saying that into.

00:31:38: there's some great golf courses in England but they're different.

00:31:42: I'll come with them.

00:31:44: remind me to come back to difference between Scotland and England.

00:31:46: But you know going other golf course, you know grief beautiful little golf course muckered on the way to when Eagles from Edinburgh doing my baccalaureate.

00:31:55: Fantastic golf courses.

00:31:57: these are inland golf course.

00:31:59: Abadie played golf in Scotland, that's abadies everybody.

00:32:02: And you know the fishwives from Musselburgh one of the oldest competitions going.

00:32:09: so

00:32:10: it wasn't sexist It was... Everybody played it.

00:32:14: So Kilspindi Golf Club You have The Aberlady Clubs.

00:32:18: These artisan clubs are very common In Scotland.

00:32:21: North Barrett's got two Gullens Got One or Two And the Aberdeen one is really for the state workers.

00:32:32: So you look at St Andrews, You had the RNA and they were from the gents.

00:32:38: They now kind of run golf.

00:32:41: But then the St Andrew's Club.

00:32:43: that was for The Artisans.

00:32:45: Then a new club came along.

00:32:47: I'm being very rude to you in a second but only teasing.

00:32:53: You've got to be half nice these days.

00:32:58: The U-Club was for the guys who didn't want to get in St Andrew's Club because it was kind of working class and they couldn't get into R&A, but again you know St Andrews?

00:33:09: The RNA

00:33:10: let

00:33:11: women in fairly recently.

00:33:13: But prior to that Let say there were six golf clubs at St Andrew.

00:33:18: How many were single sexes as a sixth do you think?

00:33:24: At least five Six

00:33:26: All six or any golf And three girls, three boys.

00:33:30: I'm including the Putting Club and somebody will email KX and ship me down to something along with all of us.

00:33:36: so there's a rule St Regis in The Putting Club for all girls and the RNA, St Andrews club and New Club were all boys.

00:33:44: now they share courses but i think currently still more girls clubs than single sex female clubs in Scotland then male.

00:33:53: Yeah, I remember in New York and Long Island Garden City, the Garden City Men's Club it was called.

00:34:02: And it was a beautiful golf course very exclusive to just men.

00:34:08: you know why?

00:34:08: isn't that okay?

00:34:11: You can have women's clubs.

00:34:14: This comes back to feeding especially feed them.

00:34:16: my thought they're gonna go through this very quickly when i program discussing sex right or wrong, but I mean certainly in Scotland it was everybody and you know its going back to the women men thing.

00:34:29: Women had a tough time on job and work and roles very much so that pendulum needed to swing And i think has swung along with this one probably too far in some ways.

00:34:40: not far enough another way.

00:34:43: But now your saying European girls tour is tough great offers and I don't quite understand why.

00:34:54: very quickly on this we've now got living all this money, all of this money pouring in.

00:35:00: And you can't fund something channeled down into letting quality kids play golf via the sex?

00:35:08: Then for the girls to get there, they have to try and make money somewhere or their parents have to do it.

00:35:16: so it favors that.

00:35:18: Going back to Scotland, Scotland was where everybody... So you know if you lived in the town like St Andrews is a municipal course yeah?

00:35:25: It's not private course right?

00:35:29: Muirfield got a bad rep about all this women stuff and all the rest of it.

00:35:33: actually you know woman play golf as easily.

00:35:36: A boy or a girl could play golf at Muirfield as easily.

00:35:38: you and I needed to be invited.

00:35:41: The lunch thing was that women couldn't eat in the dining room, which is terrible!

00:35:47: It wasn't terrible.

00:35:49: it's because of old-fashioned stuff...it's a refectory dining table where you have go get your food so you wouldn't expect a lady to do that.

00:35:56: So ladies went into the captain's room.

00:35:58: You said they didn't want me there but that has all changed.

00:36:01: now still kind of hard to get into.

00:36:06: and if you, I think correctly.

00:36:07: If you don't want to obey the rules then you're not the kind of person that joined that club.

00:36:12: but actually be the same for any club anywhere.

00:36:15: England was much more middle-class.

00:36:17: England golf is a lot more part society.

00:36:21: it's more elitist.

00:36:25: But thats all moving in changing.

00:36:26: now You look at the prices of golf in Scotland going through the roof.

00:36:31: Non-member clubs are being built and great golf courses, Dumbarnie, Kings Barnes, Castle Stewart.

00:36:36: Tom Dock is doing a new one up the cup but it's not actually... Tom's doing that.

00:36:41: he's forgotten who's leaning on it.

00:36:45: Well we do want to talk obviously about The Home of Golf And where The Home Of Golf Is Because everybody has been told That It's St Andrews.

00:36:56: Maybe we can start with Scotland being the home of before.

00:36:59: We get zoom in a little bit more, but to me The difference I mean you know And in this dates You have a lot of great golf courses?

00:37:09: You know what you have to travel thousands of miles from Winkfoot and Pine Valley To pinehurst an Augusta two Paz at tempo too pebble Beach in Britain, and I'm talking about first of all.

00:37:24: In Britain you can play all courses pretty much from a base whether it's London or Liverpool or Prestwick or Edinburgh.

00:37:34: Now the airport in Glasgow is in Prestwick.

00:37:41: that was where the first open was played in eighteen sixty.

00:37:45: these are amazing things these twenty-one great golf courses within a twenty mile stretch in East Lothian.

00:38:01: And I told you before, it's fortunate enough to begin my golfing life in that area starting at Royal Burgess moving over the Brunsfield and Silvernose and Braids... The city limits of Edinburgh has how many golf courses?

00:38:18: I

00:38:20: mean, in the city of Ed...I could not believe it.

00:38:22: And this was in the eighties that you know.

00:38:25: they were in the middle town.

00:38:26: there was a golf course and people would get off work in their work clothes.

00:38:30: They were working on the docks or something sling a bag over their shoulder and play.

00:38:38: But let's talk about this stretch from Edinburgh out to North Barrick because you're right in the middle of it.

00:38:47: I mean, but more towards the end of where all the action is gillen abalady.

00:38:53: What are some other courses that?

00:38:57: We were really running from Masabara out to Dumbar.

00:39:00: so when i came to East Lothian I'd set up a thing called the University of Jersey Association which was first ever First or second in the UK.

00:39:09: So we had done one but weren't sure But we could part didn't know what another one setting this kind of scott group of everyone working together.

00:39:19: because my role marine background.

00:39:21: you know we're all to shoe sock syndrome if we're altogether.

00:39:24: let's work together get them there and then fight for the once they are done.

00:39:28: It is about team.

00:39:29: so golf course on its own, it was stuck a way out here not going to attract anyone.

00:39:36: one round their gone.

00:39:37: where do go?

00:39:39: The fact that there are twenty-one golf courses within twenty minutes drive well, a twenty-minute drive from Aberlady.

00:39:45: So it would be forty minutes for men to end.

00:39:47: so we ended up calling at Scotland's Gulf Coast because I got hacked off with St Andrews having stolen the home of golf from Scotland.

00:39:56: cause Scotland is the Home of Golf but they have that embargoed title of The Home Of Golf... A bit tongue in cheek.

00:40:03: and Scotland was where golf started or where golf began which will come later.

00:40:08: But East Lothian is a microclimate.

00:40:13: there are millions of microclimates.

00:40:15: I get that, but East Lillian really is because the west of Scotland it's high east as low.

00:40:20: so the eastern rain shadow and then you have the river forth going out and Gullin Hill means when the clouds come out during a day they don't like to go up.

00:40:30: So they go down towards and rain on five.

00:40:32: sorry five not always in five.

00:40:34: They go down the river or cut inland And at night when pressure changes they come inland, so we get more rain in the evening.

00:40:42: So by and large We have pretty dry days And great links.

00:40:46: golf course you got me running out.

00:40:48: You've got three in Mossoberi Got The Old Course The Nine-Holler which was for the second.

00:40:52: that Was one of the Three courses with an open press week.

00:40:57: Mossobert & St Andrews And the Honourable Company who now play at Meersfield

00:41:02: Right.

00:41:02: It's their Second Home.

00:41:03: They started At Least Links and wrote The Rules Of Golf which got lost and St Andrews were claiming to have had them.

00:41:11: but then actually one of the rules talks about a piece of ground on leaf links, so it obviously wasn't.

00:41:19: So we've got that history, so Muirfield is the only golf club to hosted an open underwriter company and Muir Fields hosted everything.

00:41:32: And Then you heard Moserborough.

00:41:35: two other courses in Moserboro One Parkland role Moserburgh.

00:41:38: The role Mossebra is, I think got the longest played for trophy in the world.

00:41:46: And that...the whole cutter, the drainage pipe to cut the first hole.

00:41:50: we all now play too at Old Mossebril.

00:41:53: it's not there.

00:41:55: and fish-wise they're one of very early organised games with women because way back women have been playing golf in Scotland forever And all these courses kind of evolve.

00:42:08: So you're coming up, we've got Mossibarra then you get them Long Nidry which is a Donald Steele course and it's kinda quirky because there are third links the Third Parkland on a third Heathland.

00:42:19: Then your coming into Craigie Laws Which is newer Right beside Kill Spindy then Loughness I mean literally you have Craigie law kill Spindey The Bay, Loughness Gullin Three, Gullen Two, Gullen One the town, Muirfield Renaissance to Archiefield Northbury.

00:42:43: I mean after...I call Ayrshire The Wet Coast of James Carr hearing this because it's a west coast with the wet coast.

00:42:48: but there again you can play from Presswick right through not quite to Irvine Wright though to Dondonald You know?

00:42:57: With East Lothian Scotland's Gulf Coast, Ayrshire Angus Fife Highlands, you know, St Andrews and Dornach.

00:43:08: I mean these are quality courses...I can't remember how many there were in the eighteen, sixty, sixty twenty-three.

00:43:16: Dornoch was one of them.

00:43:18: These would be kind of courses that we're going at beginning And it's spreadigolf came from The transformation From the feathery to the gutty Because a feathery ball A cobbler could make three.

00:43:34: I think it was two or four balls in a day and the top hat of feathers is what filled that.

00:43:39: And then, the gutty ball came along... Do you know at first golf club which formed outside UK?

00:43:46: The first golf Club outside the

00:43:47: U.K.?

00:43:48: Well done!

00:43:49: Exactly

00:43:50: sir

00:43:50: Very quick.

00:43:52: So from there the gutted purchase, that's what they used to ship stuff back and protect it.

00:43:57: And someone was molding.

00:43:58: so their first manufactured bulk called came from there but at the same time as engines or trains you know?

00:44:03: So that is with expansion alone more in all of those things.

00:44:08: But all these Dunbar, Gullin, Kill Spindy... All this course would go way-way-way back then probably something like Kill Spindi.

00:44:18: three or four, five of six whole courses because the mariners were waiting for the tide to go through the trade with Holland and so on backwards and forwards.

00:44:28: And I think most of wood came from Holland.

00:44:31: The bow makers made the shafts and the cobblers made the balls.

00:44:38: And you know we got leaving it onto history.

00:44:41: You've got a story about golf starting in Holland.

00:44:47: cover that in the forty and fifty seven podcast.

00:44:49: There have been many stick-in-bowl games, so I don't think golf or nice is golf?

00:44:55: So i'll just put that on the bin end of discussion.

00:44:58: thank you very much!

00:44:58: So organized golf started from Scotland yeah and grew from there and really spread through them.

00:45:07: Do You Think It Started Before?

00:45:08: I ask a question if you get up early enough In Aberlady in the summer it's like forever Pretty much.

00:45:17: how many courses can you play in a day if we get up early enough?

00:45:19: How many?

00:45:20: yeah

00:45:21: different for

00:45:22: I mean, I Four or five.

00:45:26: Yeah.

00:45:26: Yeah, I mean your your light by five Five o'clock.

00:45:32: Yeah You complain

00:45:33: sometimes what type it was when it was getting like because that was coming back from the bar.

00:45:42: The last last actually on the last two weeks.

00:45:45: guy Andy Ovensson came and then We shouldn't have said he was, sorry Andy.

00:45:49: But they did a nice bottle of wine.

00:45:51: then that night we came for bottled the wine and between four and six if I think twelve bottles of wine later in some great wine.

00:46:00: That's appropriate.

00:46:00: At eight AM where were finishing up what LePaul Roger is so Americans...I was maybe going to play with Kim Danne And i went across The Cottage Fair and I said What are you doing?

00:46:09: I'm gonna play golf with American boys because I don't think so!

00:46:12: I was very indignant about half-a second and realized she had a point.

00:46:17: Woke up about four o'clock.

00:46:19: There's got to be some incredible stories About the ducks in.

00:46:21: I mean, can you order a half of pint at The Ducks Inn because i remember the last time?

00:46:26: I ordered A Half Pint In Scotland.

00:46:27: they asked me if I was on antibiotics.

00:46:31: That's probably the polite question.

00:46:35: Yes You Can but it doesn't happen very often.

00:46:39: Yeah Guy Doug Wilkie he actually Was a creator Of the putting games who came out of that phrase You can overwater whiskey, but you can't over-whiskey water.

00:46:52: Yeah that's very

00:46:53: nice!

00:46:54: It took me a while to get the point

00:46:57: now... You've got it.

00:46:58: made sure you make this over when do say

00:46:59: that one?

00:46:59: I'm sixty two so you know takes awhile.

00:47:02: But maybe that's good because how you got into and because you became a restaurateur and it wasn't just any old restaurant.

00:47:14: I mean, this duck set Le Marché Noir was got a Michelin guide Gaumont which is like a Michelins star but... It's

00:47:27: not quite the price

00:47:28: value right?

00:47:29: Did we understand that correctly?

00:47:30: It's quality of price.

00:47:33: actually The guy who talked about Rob Mitchell as my chef then And he hadn't sold I don't know, but i think we were pretty close to getting a start because the...I know from the AA that we're going be three or four AA resets and thats about the same as a star in The Michelin Guide.

00:47:49: so there weren't quite alot.

00:47:50: And i think ive possibly upset them cause they closed on January.

00:47:53: So um..they shouldnt have spoken after me But it

00:47:56: actually put

00:47:57: Aberlady into the book!

00:47:58: And i said to him I dont' think its ready for her to get into the Book.

00:48:02: The Michelina guide is one of the most underused guides I think there is, people talk about the stars

00:48:08: but actually

00:48:08: the places with Niles and Forks are fantastic honest great places to go.

00:48:13: It's one of the best guides going.

00:48:15: um by now the restaurant was a yeah fun place.

00:48:20: i mean you know it had a wine spectator uh commended wine list and all these things were able just...I know you like cigars your new website, Malcolm The Duck because it's got this great picture of you with the part of us.

00:48:37: I think the series D number four or something like that.

00:48:40: Yeah Were able to smoke at the ducks in those days?

00:48:43: Or is...I mean here You can't smoke anywhere inside.

00:48:47: That smoking law came when i was a number lady and It was very funny because we were still staying in Edinburgh, but my daughter school-wise had gone to North Berwick.

00:48:59: So I was staying out there and it wasn't time with all the nights about.

00:49:04: so on a member one of smoking law came in In The Green Room behind Reception.

00:49:07: There's A Fire And it Was January And There Was Nobody.

00:49:12: There Place Is Empty.

00:49:13: We're Open.

00:49:14: The place is empty.

00:49:15: iIwas Doing The Bar On My Own Doing Everything On My own Because There Was No Customers And No Staff Costs And I've Been Given A Bose Speaker And I was playing one of the Vaughan Williams or something, or Hollow Man Kingsbury again.

00:49:30: There's some classical that goes uplifting and drinking a whiskey... Or think about it as drinking a whisky in the dark.

00:49:42: So I went to go to cigar and lay on floor lit my cigars and started blowing smoke out the chimney.

00:49:49: I'm forty-eight!

00:49:52: In my place And I'm alone by the exit.

00:49:57: What the hell are you doing, Doug?

00:49:58: You're a sit-up and just

00:49:59: smoke.".

00:50:00: And while looking for my wife in the next day of her smoking at the building there's nobody here!

00:50:05: Exactly it's yours

00:50:07: We needed... The Edinburgh restaurant was interesting because people would smoke at the end of the evening didn't smoke Because the food I related is horrible but i wish they'd let us do something about it with ventilation Because what I can't stand nowadays, i really don't like seeing people standing outside.

00:50:25: All these people are standing outside the cigarette buttons and you got to walk through a thug of stuff?

00:50:30: And we could say no but it's quite hard.

00:50:33: um...and my background is Royal Marines Commandos and freedom of speech and freedom.

00:50:41: choice for me is absolute!

00:50:43: It means everything.

00:50:46: if we lose those values or things everything.

00:50:52: Yeah, well we're certainly at a bifurcation in society where you know it feels like sometimes when not only being told what to say but how to say which is pretty scary.

00:51:03: your favorite cigar shape size brand?

00:51:07: Born to Christian number two otherwise...

00:51:09: We are in the same boat torpedo absolutely any day of the week!

00:51:13: Anyday or the week.

00:51:18: and incredible career in hospitality.

00:51:23: Are there any specific childhood memories that foreshadow your professional life, did you can think of?

00:51:31: Well it's funny.

00:51:32: my father was a conscientious object on the Second World War and I joined their own marines.

00:51:36: but he became very friendly with this guy called David Sterling and he was the founder of the SAS.

00:51:43: so i met David as a kid.

00:51:47: So he was a pretty rugged guy, but very principle Christian.

00:51:53: He taught me about principles and all the rest – mum was a fantastic cook!

00:51:58: And I ended up joining their own reigns kind of by mistake….

00:52:01: The only reason why went for interviews is that got free train ticket via Bristol where you could see my brother... ...and it cost three days in this stupid place called Lumpston.

00:52:09: so i never looked back there.

00:52:12: That's been seminal to me because People and team is what like make life's work.

00:52:18: You know, that's why I love about golf not in the shorts as you play with it It's a friends that you make.

00:52:23: these are friends who take with you.

00:52:24: That's that's what makes it and West Belfast maybe one of them the Falklands And if Not just losing friends but at the Falcons the we had an attack on the hill called two sisters and Sounds all over everywhere.

00:52:38: I can only can afford to want I gave the order fix bandits.

00:52:42: So you just don't think you're going to come out the other side of that.

00:52:47: And we came up with remarkably fewer casualties than we would have thought, but we still lost people who got killed and I think lots of people is careless in if they'll go kill them

00:52:58: right?

00:52:59: But then next morning We were sitting there.

00:53:03: Pete Jenkins was my radio operation made a cup tea and we've just done The attack.

00:53:09: we've seen our dad.

00:53:12: I did three trucky ostomies at night, we tried to take care of the wounded.

00:53:16: one that you're killing them.

00:53:16: The next minute he tried it and i'm not saying I killed him or not but your people are getting killed Next me trying to save their lives.

00:53:23: It's kind of wacky.

00:53:25: And then the next day You're sitting there?

00:53:27: You can have to do all again in the next night that she didn't because they surrendered.

00:53:31: But remember you know sitting there looking across a view you're looking down into the bay and seeing the shells going off happiest times, possibly.

00:53:45: And that's not a sad thing.

00:53:46: I won't be happy again.

00:53:47: it'll be more ecstatic or have more fun than that.

00:53:49: but at point you're so surprised your alive.

00:53:57: You've got no family...you've got No stuff..You've got NO money.

00:54:02: Your guys are your family!

00:54:03: You've gotta go and lead from the front doing that But you don' t need to do that and made about two hours of total mental peace.

00:54:14: And I don't think, you know...I think very few people will ever have the chance to experience that.

00:54:21: so i'm gonna say i've done a few of these more recently and Link's diary guy did an old film called People in Golf and the first one was me.

00:54:29: Yeah You know what that has taught me?

00:54:33: Waking up in the morning is absolute privilege.

00:54:36: Just thinking about some guys who haven't but it still kicks your back.

00:54:44: stop a little bit before you've always starts croaking and I'm thinking of couple guys who are friends.

00:54:49: now just got prostate cancer, one of them is probably going to be fine but the worry or scariness of that it's difficult.

00:55:01: But for me waking up in the morning is an absolute privilege.

00:55:05: my philosophy was get out into the morning go to store.

00:55:09: draw your cards.

00:55:10: those are your cards today.

00:55:13: You can't do anything else.

00:55:17: If you lost everything tomorrow, if your lost everything this afternoon... Everything!

00:55:22: Family got wiped out and business is gone.

00:55:25: no money wake up the next morning to start again.

00:55:29: Absolutely I believe that film was done by Jamie Darling correct?

00:55:34: Exactly.

00:55:34: Yeah, so it's a wonderful piece of work.

00:55:37: on the website of the Gillan Area Community Council that says you are a firm believer in collaborative working?

00:55:45: Absolutely!

00:55:45: This is what you just described I think.

00:55:50: let us talk about some things involved now namely the Scotland where golf began, exactly.

00:56:07: What kind of organisations are those?

00:56:08: Are those businesses and maybe related to that collaborative working

00:56:14: philosophy?".

00:56:15: So Scotland's Golf Coats the local tourism thing on the back.

00:56:21: they got set up in different parts of Scotland.

00:56:24: so we all work together as regions kind of fell apart a little bit.

00:56:28: So Jamie Darling was Ayrshire, Alan Minto was Pershire Neil Hampton who's the Dornan Secretary up in the Highlands.

00:56:38: Jane was Angus Liam Barnes was Fife and I was East Lothian.

00:56:45: so Liam and Jane didn't come with us but we started working together.

00:56:49: And from that

00:56:50: came

00:56:52: Scotland where golf began.

00:56:53: Because we were.

00:56:54: you know where is golf started, what's the home of golf?

00:56:57: because it's syndicated to linkstrust.

00:57:01: So scotland

00:57:01: use like copyrighted for home

00:57:03: of course yeah don't go on technically links trust but i think your struggle to use visit scotlan can use.

00:57:11: only with permission.

00:57:12: let me about the number.

00:57:13: fourteen fifty seven.

00:57:15: and that way before columbus went discovered.

00:57:17: america fourteen fifty-seven

00:57:19: is where golf was first noted.

00:57:22: John James II banned the wee ball and The Big Ball, so he'd banned a golf ball on football.

00:57:29: So people would practice their archery because English were coming to try and tough us up again!

00:57:35: That was right back when it first documented.

00:57:39: The Fourteen Fifty Seven Society is kind of the golf club of Scotland where Golf began... ...and there are four directors of each.

00:57:50: collection of golf courses, hotels to operators and whoever else over the industry who are trying to work together.

00:57:57: And they aim at that is really tell people how to come in play golfing and enjoy Scotland.

00:58:04: Golf in Scotland is not just a little hotel it's the golf course.

00:58:08: you've never heard off fishing chip shop.

00:58:12: And we have the Fortune-Fifty-Seven Society podcast that three of us do.

00:58:16: That, which really trying to get somebody who's just been to Scotland and playing tell your story how did you do it?

00:58:24: So whether you come on your own or if he comes through a tour operator like Dave Kerr is one of guys in the podcasts at Morton Golf but then you've come through Perigolfs big ones in the States.

00:58:36: You've got a bunch of guys in Merrick.

00:58:38: Well, well the pros are in Germany do it rather than coming through two operas but they It doesn't really matter how there's a vehicle for everyone to be getting involved.

00:58:47: so mine Coming up I'm gonna.

00:58:50: we need We need to fund it So that we can get enough money To Get couple of the guy's Bit of pennies towards living.

00:58:59: Jamie is involved with links diary which Is A

00:59:03: fantastic magazine Fantastic?

00:59:04: It's a gold standard

00:59:05: Yeah, and we collaborate quite a lot.

00:59:08: So if they're shooting something maybe they'll use it vice versa.

00:59:12: so that collaborative thing... If Scottish Gulf were doing something why can't we use their footage?

00:59:18: It doesn't quite happen!

00:59:23: The Forty-Fifty Seven Society is going there.

00:59:26: you can join for forty nine pounds.

00:59:28: We run a series of outings And that's really for light minded people.

00:59:34: It's competitive as you want it to be, but its about meeting people.

00:59:37: I met a girl from the States called Pam who came across and she spent four months here five months playing hundred rounds of golf.

00:59:44: But i mean she met everybody because one contact then next contact which brings another contact.

00:59:52: so some people will come in.

00:59:54: She'd go back talking about doing a trip with more people.

00:59:58: Which two operators should we use?

01:00:00: So you can mention three or them.

01:00:02: So it all begins to work.

01:00:05: And next year I'll say, I'm working.

01:00:09: how do we fund that?

01:00:10: Do we do a page?

01:00:11: people can just donate to it?

01:00:13: because if you go and Scotland where golf began You see little films about the history of The Golf Course at five or six minutes.

01:00:21: I did the voice over mostly me and Alan.

01:00:23: terrific

01:00:24: stuff

01:00:24: playing.

01:00:25: But we'll get some girls into that filming as well, because we're kind of conscious.

01:00:29: it's two old guys hitting the golf balls.

01:00:31: maybe not everybody wants but actually quite a lot in market is older guys playin' golf.

01:00:36: True I'm not

01:00:37: for just doing things Because It's The Right Thing To Do.

01:00:44: My member-member partner Renee Stolz is a lady called Carol Kaufman who's very philanthropic towards golf and Just A Great Lady And, you know I'm a bit of a minor sponsorship by the girls Scottish Girls Open at Archiefield when they played it as more like The Dunhill with amateurs in and so on.

01:01:05: It was great fun!

01:01:05: So got to know all about the girls and that...

01:01:08: ...and

01:01:09: it's just good fun playing with all sorts different people.. ..so we need to reflect that into films.

01:01:14: but i-I'm not really into political correctness.

01:01:17: I'm into doing the right thing for the right reason.

01:01:21: That is something life needs be simple For A Simple Duck.

01:01:25: So we're really keen to, so say where we've done that filming of Darlay golf course.

01:01:32: We just did it in which is next to Roll Trim with a fantastic golf course and you know maybe gets its name out there but get a couple of guys to go and play, you've got the voice service stuff.

01:01:51: I do the voice servers for funds so i'm not getting funded from it.

01:01:54: but its how you get the rest out?

01:01:56: How does Jamie's doing full time job?

01:01:58: or Alan is doing a full-time job?

01:01:59: we want to bring somebody else in.

01:02:02: if someone wants to be videographer If your book them on Wednesdays and it's raining then they can't do that.

01:02:07: You still don't pay him right.

01:02:09: Or how did he do this?

01:02:10: So It was about giving back And I think For me thats one other things Im really keen To Be Getting Into.

01:02:17: We'll probably talk to some whiskey companies and clothing guys.

01:02:19: And anyone out there wants to help sponsor, give a shout because that product placement could be quite nice.

01:02:29: but we'd only take someone sponsoring who also helps back and they're ethos giving back into Scottish golf.

01:02:36: so two operators remember why would they join?

01:02:39: Well if you've done all of that filming If They Want To Make A Film For Their Thing here's the material.

01:02:45: come on use it.

01:02:47: You know, it's that collaborative way of doing things.

01:02:51: And I think i said you know he slowly and ducks wouldn't have survived in...I couldn't have done what I did at Ducks without Kilspindi ,without Gullin .Without all those golf courses..without the Indian down the road without the Abra Lady Inn!

01:03:06: Because there is another pub somewhere else and me or other guys down there are super old guy there with the takeout, you know when at first he was like.

01:03:14: I'm gonna lose business.

01:03:15: But actually do you what they went down and came back before?

01:03:18: They went to Haddington didn't come back for that night.

01:03:20: so You learn how you relearn That cooperative way of working works.

01:03:28: And um What i love about uh scotton?

01:03:33: well what i loved.

01:03:33: i mean i just Went there on On semester breaks either on new years When The Neighbor would Come knock on the door With a Barlow whiskey.

01:03:41: i found that Fantastic.

01:03:43: But from the golf wise, I mean everywhere in the world you play.

01:03:48: You get into The Clubhouse if your visiting somewhere and what do you shoot?

01:03:54: And Scotland they ask how to find our course.

01:03:57: it's a whole different mentality.

01:03:59: It is something really...I can't stand I have problem with people who call golf hobby collecting stamps as a hobby.

01:04:08: you know, golf is a way of life and that's the way it's displayed in...in-in that part of Scotland.

01:04:17: I think you're right!

01:04:18: I mean Eric Anders Lang talks about where other places can go.

01:04:21: when we walk around with dogs on the golf course My dog Zulu used to be there all the time.

01:04:27: You have to put him down missing like hell but i mean its.

01:04:30: But the dog should well trained.

01:04:32: And maybe one reason, some place or may be we're not because people don't train their dogs.

01:04:36: They don't try and think it's knocked across the road.

01:04:38: so these kind of old fact remember I was talking about if you going to change something have a value to change?

01:04:43: It.

01:04:43: i don't care what someone wears in golf course but actually If You start allowing everything People Don't turn up thinking I'm gonna look half smart.

01:04:53: that when it gets into The cheating different thing is just a set of standards.

01:04:59: where does self discipline come from background?

01:05:01: in the Royal Marines, you're taught discipline but that teaches yourself to discipline.

01:05:05: Self-discipline is key and I think a lot of great new golf courses before...I talked about King's Barnes & Dumbarnie But you know going to get St Andrews' The Great Golf Course..but if you go onto the Link Trust Food & Beverage places on the golf course it's not like walking into Kilspindi Golf Club.

01:05:23: It's Not Like Walking Into The St Andrew's Golf Club Not Like Walking Into Dunbar or Prestwick Golf Club You know, because you don't meet the locals.

01:05:33: And that making a local is really important and we've got an issue but were heading towards it.

01:05:40: problem with... A lot of golf courses now managed by general managers or commercial managers where as a golf course secretary used to be An individual who understood people and all their.

01:05:50: I'm not saying that you guys do.

01:05:55: It's about the bottom line whereas You know, golf is a strange thing because tourism's very important and that's economic but it's also health and wellness.

01:06:04: So you're going to keep the Golf Club subscription at reasonable level –you need the visitor income to subsidise it– if you put up, get rid of visitors… But then hotels don't work!

01:06:16: And there are no jobs... If we look at East Lothian what do they do?

01:06:20: Mostly in their hotels or accommodation restaurants on the golf course provide a lot of employment for the visitors coming in, who bring in the economic benefit.

01:06:31: So it's trying to get those things to merge.

01:06:34: that is interesting.

01:06:35: I mean again The price of golf has gotten some big courses nowadays.

01:06:38: you know next year they're going three-fifty knocking four hundred.

01:06:42: yeah that's pretty steep.

01:06:45: and one of the issues we have here in Germany with golf courses obviously this brown mush of golf courses that were designed in the boom and the nineteen eighties, you know which.

01:07:00: You're lucky if your member one hole when he had done but then any would think those great golf course as we've talked about in Scotland they will just market themselves.

01:07:13: is it difficult for you to market it?

01:07:18: To do outside world I mean

01:07:22: the big courses, you know that the press wicks to Trudeau and so on they kind of do.

01:07:28: St Andrews always has.

01:07:30: I think it's not me but when i came to East Lothian we started Scotland's Gulf Coast.

01:07:35: there was a guy called Dave Isaac lived across the road.

01:07:41: he is one of top guys doing posters.

01:07:44: his company you know.

01:07:47: they sent out the message, that's what we did and he worked on a brand.

01:07:50: Andrew Coulthart lived in The Village, Andrew was just getting into Sky.

01:07:54: Alan Minto is still with us who has been working part time for the camps only does as much if not more off work than knots.

01:08:00: so he and I have done alot of it.

01:08:02: We got that East Lillian was not the highest ranked in golf in Scotland by quite along way but we've gotten kind of collaborative messages beginning to work.

01:08:12: We then got other regions kicking off the back of it.

01:08:14: Ayrshire had done that with a guy called Stuart Smith quite long time ago, but he kind of fizzled I think and didn't quite know that history.

01:08:21: But i think working his team begins to help... ...but I can't remember the percentage of golf courses has gotten run by part-timers something like forty five percent?

01:08:32: Please don't quote me on their number!

01:08:34: There's a lot of golf course they're running by part timers And these little golf courses are cracking.

01:08:40: so I'm saying three, fifty-four hundred.

01:08:43: But then we'll kill Spindy.

01:08:45: is it still under a hundred?

01:08:46: Right.

01:08:47: Gullum III's are pretty good value.

01:08:49: Dunbar's pretty good volume.

01:08:50: if you compare these things to Pebble Beach

01:08:53: right

01:08:53: than where the price going and UK is changing in economic wealth.

01:09:01: i think the gap is widening.

01:09:03: but for me in hospitality I love the Americans, they'll be a member of Renaissance party because the crash between American and British culture is just hilarious.

01:09:12: Isn't it?

01:09:13: Yeah i think... They

01:09:14: speak the same language you know mean the same things.

01:09:17: but Scandinavians

01:09:18: coming across you know Germanic countries coming across especially Scandinavian's.

01:09:24: they can get Scotland It's cheaper for them And that there are not going to pay stupid prices

01:09:37: In Germany.

01:09:37: people, you know they go on these golf trips.

01:09:39: They go to Spain or to Antalya Or something You know?

01:09:42: They play this brand-new golf courses that are really from there manicured beautifully because that's what they expect Because that's What they see on TV when they watch the Masters.

01:09:51: But Any day I would prefer to go on a trip to Scotland than To those two Marbella wherever those guys go like

01:10:00: I call barbaya and not gonna.

01:10:01: I called it gin and tonic golf.

01:10:04: But if you're getting into golf starting off, find the ball easily.

01:10:08: I don't really like segregating between boys and girls but boys are more powerful so they hit it further girl side as far all that kind of stuff.

01:10:19: Women mentally much tougher than guys with your guys a tougher physically.

01:10:22: So there's a balance both ways links.

01:10:25: golf is harder It's windier or rain?

01:10:29: You have to want to play golf maybe a bit to play golf in Scotland, rather than just being a hobby.

01:10:39: Right?

01:10:40: You know the stamp collector ghost and there's some... I'm not knocking Marbella or these places.

01:10:44: it was great golf course but i went to Portugal with my wife who decided for a couple of weeks..I wasn't tempted to get my golf clubs out!

01:10:50: I wasn't going to take them anyway because that was her and that was time off indeed compression-time.

01:10:55: I don't know if you know the story of Pry again, You Know The Hole in the Mountain Kings.

01:11:02: That music...you might recognize not with me singing it.

01:11:05: Story of Ply again is how he goes around the world.

01:11:07: He leaves his wife and goes round the world for years And search a happiness Comes back depressed shattered Not having found happiness Only to find him at home With His Wife.

01:11:21: And it's a bit, I think leaving East Lothian to play golf or leaving Scotland.

01:11:25: To play golf is a bit like the story appear again because luckily i've heard this story so learned lesson through somebody else.

01:11:33: we almost have to go away to realize just what you got.

01:11:42: and You know?

01:11:47: Yeah, I mean Scotland is and those links courses.

01:11:50: it's not about length.

01:11:51: you know Prestwick the same.

01:11:53: you know the line shots that Prestwick has got the longest old continuously played championship golf course in the world.

01:12:00: So

01:12:01: they're doing no modernizations or things like this on these courses trying to make them longer?

01:12:06: i hope there are not!

01:12:07: You mentioned before...

01:12:09: Gullin was looking and I think there were a big mix of whatever And I think they've said no for me.

01:12:17: Thankfully, but your progress is progress.

01:12:19: you can't stay

01:12:20: absolutely

01:12:21: moving and so on.

01:12:22: But i think with these things have been there for a long time.

01:12:26: Tom doke said to tom there may be thinking about changing kylspindi in.

01:12:29: his jaw dropped right?

01:12:31: Why?

01:12:31: why would you change it?

01:12:32: and then You know the joy of kylspyndi as its short.

01:12:37: The joy is different from other places, but it's still challenging.

01:12:41: Well he had rewarded for hitting it straight keeping him playing

01:12:44: or hitting not too far And we're keeping it in play for sure.

01:12:48: Yeah, and even on a day with no wind I remember playing Gil number two In the fog where there was hardly any wind.

01:12:57: It was really tough.

01:13:00: I gotta ask you one thing though.

01:13:04: Jim Hartzell Was on this program?

01:13:07: He told us story how The ducks ran out of duck One Day.

01:13:13: Is that true story?

01:13:18: Well, it was because I refused to offer up my leg or arm.

01:13:21: So...

01:13:24: I didn't go and check with Fiona if she'd have her volunteer for a arm of her legs cut off.

01:13:30: She said no!

01:13:31: We didn't always solve that but we did quite a bit.

01:13:34: It's Jim Hart so what

01:13:37: treasure he is?

01:13:38: I mean, again golf can do for someone and what he's given back to golf.

01:13:43: Absolutely!

01:13:44: Jim lost his son and he wrote a great book that talks about how he got back into the world with golf.

01:13:54: Great ambassador of The Game... And one more thing.

01:13:59: i gotta ask you about the Duxet and then we'll wrap up the past.

01:14:04: Barstool Putting.

01:14:06: My God, I love that.

01:14:09: Did you come up with it?

01:14:10: Okay...I glue things together and i just take all the credit for everything else is good stuff.

01:14:16: so there's a guy in this which called Doug Wolke.

01:14:19: and Doug Wolkey he means of the world very successful businessman family business but made it happen.

01:14:26: they make it better great surfers.

01:14:28: if the surfs out we won't find him away whether its Indonesia or its Thurzo.

01:14:35: And there's a bunch of Irish guys, their village comes to play against our religion backwards and forwards very early in those days.

01:14:44: The doc across the road is Mrs.

01:14:48: Her dad ran around the pub There they were coming across.

01:14:55: it was gonna be winter time so if it wasn't going to bad weather They'd get some indoor games He made this seesaw was obviously taken with a seesaw.

01:15:06: So he brought them.

01:15:07: in my fiftieth birthday, this duck made out of Elm which is kind of bowed belly and ramp up into its head with little hole on two little plugs onto it's belly And if you got the ball off to top, it cheated and went down...and that what we did.

01:15:27: We did this for ages putting all from ground.

01:15:29: There's wonderful guy called Olivier Liglise.

01:15:33: Olivier played on tour, played in senior's tour and was one of the great French coaches.

01:15:40: Roman Watal and Greg Boudet were kind of two his guys.

01:15:46: so Greg had appeared... Greg Baudet had appeared at a bar my barman would have been carrying for him And he is very gorgeous girlfriend called Annabelle who now has wife with couple kids and stunning both good looking specimens wonderful people.

01:16:02: Anyway, I didn't know them but as i do wrongly in time at the time.

01:16:07: I just turned my back on Greg and invited Annabelle for dinner.

01:16:10: So it's me and you leave him behind tomorrow night in a nice rest.

01:16:13: Me and you nice bottle of champagne nice bottle red wine will have dinner.

01:16:17: That'd be great Malcolm she said And turned up off course with Greg and and was Olivier.

01:16:25: so we went through to this putting and It was Olivia that took us to Barstool.

01:16:32: Yeah then thats'a big move.

01:16:33: He lives down in Bea Ritz, so he plays down the golf courses there.

01:16:36: So he took it to The Bar Stool and that was a beginning of bar stool putting on.

01:16:40: as far as equality is concerned... ...the next one still was Annabel!

01:16:46: Yeah fantastic.

01:16:47: then an Icelandic team came in.

01:16:49: they were filming it And what do we do?

01:16:51: That's where their writing the wall came from.

01:16:52: but that was my idea.

01:16:53: I said let's put the duck of fame.. ..so that was the first guy to get his name up There.

01:16:58: Well, the memorabilia was

01:17:04: unbelievable in that place.

01:17:05: I never had a chance to visit it but i've heard from people... The stuff you have in this place is just incredible!

01:17:13: They were quite good and they kept quite a lot of them.

01:17:16: A lot of it are left with signs and so on....I'm not sure if we're going use these things or not.

01:17:21: So there's lots of stuff gone.

01:17:26: The flags and caps The guy.

01:17:29: if you're not going to use him, I would like them back at some point.

01:17:33: We've actually got a house in Aberlady so If anyone's come along give me a shout happy the hell fight with golf or have he stuck for bed and shout?

01:17:41: my wife says what are you saying?

01:17:42: Well it still fine but we don't charge is be good fun about two.

01:17:47: I insisted that they had to get two spare rooms.

01:17:51: So

01:17:51: she knows on your website Does She Know?

01:17:54: It Says That On The Malcolm Duck Dotcom.

01:17:57: The website is very basic.

01:17:59: It's a holding page, so we need to... But

01:18:00: it says if you're in the area drop by!

01:18:02: Alright

01:18:03: good I did that quite quickly and there was contact on there.

01:18:09: So feel free again.

01:18:11: Will we see back-in hospitality as well?

01:18:16: I've got two year exclusion zone for Ten Mile Area and Bits & Bob.

01:18:20: So i don't think they'll be too prescriptive because im not going do anything.

01:18:25: You know..I want them to succeed.

01:18:26: it's

01:18:27: not, I don't know what is going to be called.

01:18:29: It isn' t gonna call Ducks.

01:18:30: you're not using the brand which is fine so i dont think its too soon.

01:18:38: but i love people with so many friends that want to stay and genuinely my mobile number is o-seven seven four six one three.

01:18:49: mark them at ducks as an email.

01:18:55: very happy to be spoken, stay in touch with people and like I'm saying you know come play on an ancient archfield Kilspindi.

01:19:04: they're great golf courses.

01:19:08: And yeah it's true that Scotland were both began at the Fourteen Fifty-Seven Society joined the Foureen Fifty Seven Society and came and played with all these other guys lots of international members joining.

01:19:17: um

01:19:19: yep we'll

01:19:20: get some home from homes on that kind of stuff.

01:19:21: so i'd like Yeah, I don't know.

01:19:32: I'm not saying no because i just love it.

01:19:37: yeah

01:19:38: You'll certainly find me in a bar any slow

01:19:39: absolutely?

01:19:42: Maybe we have the chance to smoke a cigar and never couple of beverages together one day.

01:19:47: The websites are fourteen fifty seven society calm scotlandwheregolfbegan.com and Malcolmtheduck.com.

01:19:55: Those are the three websites, please check them out.

01:19:57: I hope we've done a little bit to introduce you to The Man himself And talked about golf in East Lothian.

01:20:07: It's just wonderful!

01:20:10: And i recommend Google Earth.

01:20:14: We have all used it instead of going outside and looking at it.

01:20:24: But go to Google Earth, fly into Edinburgh and then zoom in and cruise up the coast from Royal Burgess over to North Berwick is just unbelievable.

01:20:34: I mean that land where the golf courses on are bigger than the villages and towns.

01:20:40: It's what golf is all about And it was fantastic.

01:20:44: have you on Malcolm?

01:20:45: Thank You very much.

01:20:47: I wish you a belated happy birthday.

01:20:50: Yeah, there ya go!

01:20:51: I'm thirty-six?

01:20:53: I'll

01:20:53: dyslexic.

01:20:55: Yeah i'm thirty nine for another.

01:20:57: how many this time?

01:20:58: but Merry Christmas to you and your family And I wish much success in the new year.

01:21:05: we will keep in touch and have back one day.

01:21:07: Thank You so much.

01:21:08: it's been great fun.

01:21:09: It is interesting that you get back into touch with yourself and exploring thoughts.

01:21:13: It sure

01:21:16: has.

01:21:16: Thank you very much to the Lynxland ladies and gentlemen.